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In Her Own Words…Erin Rosenberg Shares Why She Works in International Criminal Law

From my experiences as a fellow at the Urban Morgan Institute, I knew that I wanted to work in international law, but I didn’t know in which field. In 2010, the summer before my third year, I did a summer externship at the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague, the Netherlands. At the end of those three months, I knew that I wanted to work in international criminal law.

After graduating from UC and passing the Indiana Bar in August 2011, I returned to the ICTY for a one year fellowship in Chambers. During my fellowship, I worked primarily in the pre-trial stage of proceedings in the case of Prosecutor v. Ratko Mladić, who is currently on trial for two counts of genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. As a fellow, my job responsibilities were similar to that of a law clerk.

After the end of my ICTY fellowship, I spent six months in the Appeals Division of the International Criminal Court (ICC) as a Visiting Professional, which is similar to the ICTY fellowship program. In February 2013, after completing the Visiting Professionalship, I was hired by the ICC- Appeals Division as an assistant legal officer, the position I currently hold. In the Appeals Chamber, I work on interlocutory and final appeals, including on the appeal of the ICC’s first trial conviction in the case of Prosecutor v. Thomas Lubanga, in which Mr. Lubanga was convicted for committing the war crime of enlisting, conscripting, and using child soldiers to participate actively in hostilities in the Democratic Republic of Congo. I conduct legal research, help in the preparation of drafting decisions and judgments, and assist the Appeals Chamber judges on various legal issues.

Besides my regular duties, I have also been lucky to have had the opportunity to represent the ICC at events. For example, I served as a lecturer on the history of the ICC and the doctrine of command responsibility for the International Institute of Humanitarian Law's 148th International Military Course on the Laws of Armed Conflict.

Why the Interest in International Criminal Law

One of the most interesting parts of my job is that I get to work in a field that is still fairly new and for which the law itself is still being developed. To be a small part of that, both at the ICTY and now the ICC, has been challenging, but also incredibly rewarding. There are also many practical issues that are somewhat unique to international criminal proceedings. For one, the scope and size of the trials in international law are very different from the types of trials most people would recognize in domestic systems. This is due not only to the types of crimes that we deal with (genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes), but also the sheer number of witnesses, victims, and crime bases that are a part of a single case. To give one example, in the Mladic case, the prosecution called over 140 witnesses. Additionally, while the trials at the ICC are conducted in English or French, many of the accused and witnesses speak any number of other languages and may not understand English or French at all. So, unlike what one might see in a US court, at the ICC (and the ICTY), there are teams of interpreters in booths surrounding the courtrooms who translate the proceedings live as they happen for the trial participants. There are also separate teams that translate court documents. While all of these things may seem merely interesting, they pose very real challenges to case management, particularly in terms of ensuring that the fair trial rights of all accused persons are fully respected.

Many people are often surprised at where I work, and the field of law that I work in, because I am American. The United States is not a signatory to the Rome Statute and I think that it is fair to say that American law schools focus less on international law generally than those in many other countries. However, I have never felt at a disadvantage vis-à-vis my colleagues because of the overall legal training I received at UC Law and the exposure to international law that I received through my fellowship with the Urban Morgan Institute, particularly from the summer externships and working on the Human Rights Quarterly.

I would tell any UC law student who is interested in international law or specifically international criminal law to take advantage of the amazing opportunities that they have with the Urban Morgan Institute and to follow their passion. International criminal law is a difficult field to get into, but, with hard work and commitment, it is definitely possible.

Get to know Erin Rosenberg ‘11

Rosenberg received her B.A. from Indiana University- Bloomington, majoring in Linguistics, French, and African-American and African Diasporic Studies. Prior to enrolling at UC, she worked in politics on numerous local, state, and federal campaigns, including for the Indiana State Senate Democratic Caucus, serving as the Indiana State Director for the 2004 John Kerry for President campaign and for Congressman André Carson in the 2008 Special Election. Upon the election of Congressman Carson, Rosenberg joined his DC office, serving as Director of Inter-governmental Affairs and later as Legislative Director before returning to UC to finish her law degree. She received her J.D. from the University of Cincinnati School of Law, where she was also an Arthur Russell Morgan Fellow at the Urban Morgan Institute for Human Rights.

A Career in Human Rights Has Taken Lycette Nelson from Cincinnati to Hungary

“It’s good that you’re here to keep us human.” 

Hearing this made a lasting impression on a UC Law student—now alumna—while completing her human rights internship in South Africa.

Lycette Nelson ‘02 grew up in Burlington, Vermont before attending St. John’s College in Annapolis, Maryland.  She moved to New York City and worked in publishing for three years, and then returned to the classroom at the State University of New York at Buffalo, receiving her Ph.D. in comparative literature.  She continued her career in publishing for several more years, and, at the same time, she was active in LGBT politics and advocacy.  Nelson became the executive director of Stonewall Cincinnati, a small nonprofit organization here in the Queen City.  At Stonewall Cincinnati, she worked on many legal matters, meeting practitioners in anti-discrimination and civil rights law.  Her work and her contacts fostered an interest in human rights, and the Urban Morgan Institute at the College was the perfect fit.

In law school, Nelson completed a summer human rights internship in Cape Town, South Africa, an externship with a federal district court judge, and worked at a small firm: Manley Burke.  While in Cape Town, she worked at the Human Rights Committee of Cape Town, a non-governmental organization that operates in several major cities in South Africa.  At the time she was there, there was a huge refugee crisis due to immigration and asylum law changes, and people were flooding into South Africa from conflict areas around the continent. 

“My boss and I started making regular trips to the asylum office to try to speed up the process for some of the most vulnerable asylum-seekers – a very pregnant young woman for instance -- and assisting several people who had very good claims,” shared Nelson.  “It was rewarding because our presence made a huge difference for the few people we were able to help,” she said, noting that the sheer numbers who needed help was overwhelming.  She has been able to keep in touch with a young Rwandan man who successfully got asylum in South Africa and is currently living in Vienna.  She was able to reconnect with him as her travels took her to Europe years later.

“Getting such a range of different experiences in different settings helped me a lot in making future job choices,” she said.  Since graduating and passing the New York Bar, Nelson has worked with MFY Legal Services in New York City, the Adult Home Advocacy Project, the New York State Mental Hygiene Legal Service (a New York State agency responsible for representing, advocating and litigating on behalf of individuals receiving services for a mental disability), and now is working with the Mental Disability Advocacy Center (MDAC).

In 2010, Nelson moved to France, to her partner’s home town for her sabbatical year.  It was in France that she found MDAC and was hired for the position of litigation director.  MDAC is an international human rights organization, headquartered in Budapest, Hungary, that advances the rights of children and adults with intellectual disabilities.  She is able to work from her home in New Jersey on a consultancy basis and travel to Hungary every few months.  “Our work is focused around the right to live in the community, to be free from torture and ill-treatment, to make decisions independently or with support, to inclusive education, and to political participation,” she explained.  Nelson supervises all of the legal staff, but does not get very involved in domestic cases due to the varying languages that are involved.  When a case goes to the European Court of Human Rights, however, she becomes more directly involved.

As Nelson has been involved in reviewing applications for an open MDAC position, she was able to share advice about seeking a career in the field of human rights.  “One thing that distinguishes a good resume from the rest is when the person has hands-on experience working with people whose rights have been violated rather than just academic or research experience,” she said.  “The majority of human rights organizations are small organizations like MDAC which require a broad range of skills in any staff person--not only litigation and/or advocacy, but project management, problem-solving, working in complex systems. So being able to highlight some experience of this kind on your resume will be more valuable that just having experience abroad.” 

Finding ways to gain this type of hands-on experience opens doors for work in the field of human rights, protecting liberties which are important and unique, and, as Lycette  Nelson will always remember,  keep us all human.

The Urban Morgan Institute for Human Rights Drew Erin Welch to UC Law

Law student Erin Welch travelled 700 miles to UC Law for the Urban Morgan Institute for Human Rights. She shares her thoughts on the impact of the Institute and they experiences she has had. 

Erin Welch ’15 grew up in Niceville, Florida.  She remained in the Sunshine State to attend Florida State University, graduating with degrees in both international affairs and music (with a focus on voice).  What brought her 700 miles north for law school?  The Urban Morgan Institute for Human Rights.

Since 1979 the Urban Morgan Institute has educated and trained human rights lawyers.  “I came to UC entirely for the Urban Morgan Institute,” said Welch.  While she was involved with the Florida State’s human rights institute during her undergraduate years, she was encouraged by a mentor to apply to UC Law and to the Urban Morgan Institute. Her acceptance was the deciding factor.

The Urban Morgan Institute offers an excellent opportunity for first year law students to become involved in working on a journal with Human Rights Quarterly (HRQ).  She became involved with the Quarterly during her first year, and is the journal’s newest Managing Editor going into her third year at UC Law.  “It has given me an opportunity to learn about different cultures and about various human rights issues around the world,” she said of her time on the HRQ as a staff person.

Students involved with the HRQ and the Urban Morgan Institute enjoy the opportunity to spend time abroad working at various human rights centers around the world.  Thus this past summer, Welch traveled to Cape Town, South Africa, choosing this location for several reasons.  “I have always admired the human rights struggle in South Africa and wanted to get to know the history firsthand,” she shared.  “I also thought it would be enlightening to experience South African culture since several aspects mirror our own culture.” >

Welch worked for about two months at the Women’s Legal Centre Trust which, she explained, is a nonprofit firm that only accepts female clients and advocates for women’s rights through targeted litigation and policy initiatives.  She worked with the attorney specializing in family law.  “We focused on a huge issue there – the rights of Muslim women in religious marriages,” she explained.  In South Africa, Muslim marriages are the only kind of marriages not legally recognized.  Her assignment included drafting a booklet for circulate to raise public awareness on the issue and to persuade the public and the government of the necessity for legislation on the issue.  She spent many hours researching Shari’a law – specifically husbands’ and wives’ rights under it – and South African Constitutional law, as well as case law on various facets of the issue of Muslim marriages. 

Not working all the time, Welch recalled several fun experiences while abroad. These include: attending a sunrise church service at St. George’s Cathedral presided over by Archbishop Desmond Tutu, aquarium diving with sharks, and riding an elephant named “Totsi,” which translates to “Naughty.”

“Do it,” is her message to anyone considering an experience abroad.  “Becoming familiar with another culture or the laws of another country is very enlightening, both concerning aspects of your own culture or legal system that you appreciate or in terms of things that you think could be better at home,” she said.  Welch hopes to have the opportunity to travel and work in the Middle East, in Lebanon or Jordan. 

Eric Munas ’15

Jen Cuesta’s Work in Human Rights Leads to Career in Social Justice

Working alongside a Nobel Peace Prize Laureate was inspiring for Jen Cuesta. That experience helped solidify her decision to become an attorney.

Jen Cuesta ’14, an Arthur Russell Fellow with the Urban Morgan Institute, grew up in the suburbs of Denver, Colorado before attending Bryn Mawr College, an all-women school just outside Philadelphia.  She graduated with a bachelor’s degree in growth and structure of cities and minors in cultural anthropology and gender and sexualities studies.  Before attending law school, Cuesta worked for several terms with AmeriCorps, working in Iowa, Michigan, and Louisiana mentoring children, building homes, and doing environmental work. 

She also began working with PeaceJam, a Colorado based non-profit that supports youth in becoming leaders in their communities.  After finishing her AmeriCorps term with PeaceJam, Cuesta was hired as the program coordinator for an after-school program for 50 kindergarteners through 8th graders.  She worked with the students, many of whom lived below the poverty line, to raise funds for the Denver Youth Shelter and to host a community health fair.

“During my time with PeaceJam I was inspired by my interactions with Shirin Ebadi,” answered Cuesta when asked what brought her to UC Law.  Ebadi won the 2003 Nobel Peace Prize for her legal advocacy for children’s and women’s rights in Iran, and is one of the 10 Nobel Peace Prize Laureates that make up the Board of Directors.  Despite political turmoil in Iran preventing Ebadi from returning home, she continued her selfless work with the UN, promoting peace, not just in Iran, but all over the world.  “She just had this amazing ability to keep working for the global community, even as she faced personal struggles,” she remarked.  Inspired by Ebadi and motivated by her experiences working with children stuck in the poverty cycle, Cuesta decided to equip herself to make a difference in the world by becoming an attorney.

Like many other students who work with the Urban Morgan Institute for Human Rights and on the editorial staff of Human Rights Quarterly, Cuesta was able to gain experience working abroad.  During her first summer, she clerked for Judge Isaac Lesetedi who serves on the Botswana High Court.  Back in Cincinnati during the school year, she externed with the Ohio Justice and Policy Center, working with the Second Chance Clinic, which helps individuals get their records expunged so that they can more easily gain employment and other opportunities. In India during her second summer, she worked with Child Workers in Nepal (CWIN), the oldest Children’s Rights non-governmental organization (NGO) in Nepal.

“I chose to go to Botswana because I am interested in foreign legal systems,” shared Cuesta.  “Judge Lesetedi is a wonderful mentor and gave me great insight into what judges consider when making their choices.” 

But for her next experience abroad, she wanted to do something different.  “I chose Nepal for two reasons,” Cuesta explained.  “First, I felt the work being done by CWIN was vitally important and very much in line with my interests and the work I hope to do in the future. Second, I really wanted to challenge myself. Botswana was a more comfortable and controlled placement, and I wanted to do something hands-on that was outside my comfort zone.”  In Nepal, she helped to research the challenges to children’s advocacy in Nepal.  Cuesta interviewed numerous practitioners, professors, political activists, and interacted with children there who were involved in the legal system.

Traveling and working abroad has made her more conscious of and grateful for the opportunities she has encountered, as she sees it, simply by happenstance.  “My work abroad has affirmed for me that so many people are not given the opportunities they need to succeed, and that is not fair,” she shared.  “As someone who has been privileged in life, it is my obligation and privilege to pay it forward and to try to make sure everyone is given the foundational opportunities they need to live a happy, healthy, and educated life.”

Eric Munas ‘15

Caleb Benadum Shares How His Travels Impacted His Commitment to Human Rights and Justice

From high school in Cambodia to graduate school in South Africa, 3L Caleb Benadum has traveled the across the globe. Doing so, however, opened his eyes to the many possibilities a career in human rights could bring.  Here’s his story.

Caleb Benadum ’14 has had some unique experiences in his life that have led him to UC Law.  After spending his first 13 years in Columbus, Ohio, he moved to Phnom Penh, Cambodia with his missionary parents.  Still working as missionaries today, they live outside of Phnom Penh working at a nonprofit mission clinic called Mercy Medical Center.  Benadum finished high school in Cambodia, and returned to Columbus for college at Capital University. There he majored in philosophy and minored in religion.

“During that time, I began to realize that my experiences overseas left me with a deep commitment to human rights and justice in the world,” said Benadum of his life around the time he graduated from Capital University.  After some deliberation, he chose to attend UC Law so that he could work with the Urban Morgan Institute for Human Rights, of which he is now an Arthur Russell Fellow.  Benadum is also on the editorial staff for the Human Rights Quarterly.

His first summer in law school was spent in The Hague, Holland working at the Registry of the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY).  “I worked on issues as diverse as the disciplinary panel at the ICTY, as well as evaluating registry regulations for the ICTY and even making some notes on regulations for other international criminal tribunals,” he shared, noting that the experience was enjoyable and memorable.  “You learn so much about yourself and others when you travel,” he said.  “If you want to understand how human rights is relevant, and to really see how cultural differences and similarities influence – and sometimes cause tension – within the human rights regulatory scheme, then you must travel.” 

Benadum has enjoyed that UC has given him the ability to play a part in structuring his education.  “Because UC is a small school, and because of the friendliness of the administration and staff, I’ve found it relatively easy to work on a variety of educational priorities,” he shared.  One example of this is that he was able to set up a semester abroad in South Africa this past fall.  There, he studied at the University of Pretoria, where his work involved comparing human rights law in Africa to law in Europe. He also gained an understanding of the South African post-Apartheid government and legal system.  Professor Bert Lockwood, director of the Urban Morgan Institute, worked with him to structure his semester abroad, and to tailor it to fit within UC’s and the ABA’s standards for law students.

“This is a great time to go abroad, and it’s possible to do so,” said Benadum of going abroad while in law school.  “The way you will get a job in the human rights or international humanitarian law field is to go and make the contacts. Many places, such as the UN or the ICRC, want interns for longer than 2 or 3 months.”  Learning to speak a second language also is an asset, not just for world-travelling lawyers according to Benadum, but for local attorneys too.  Thus, he plans to travel next to Guatemala at a Spanish immersion school after finishing the bar this summer.

Eric Munas ‘15

Paul Heldman, Harris Distinguished Practitioner

Date: April 2, 2014

Time: 12:10 p.m

Location: Room 118

Paul Heldman '77 is Executive Vice President, Secretary and General Counsel for The Kroger Co. He is responsible for the company’s legal and labor relations affairs. Before joining the company, he worked with the Cincinnati law firm of Beckman, Lavercombe, Fox and Weil. He joined Kroger in 1982 as an associate in the Law Department.

Heldman earned a bachelor’s degree from Boston University and a law degree from the University of Cincinnati in 1977.

2014 Stanley M. Chesley Distinguished Visiting Professor of Law Lecture featuring Professor Bryant Garth

Lecture: The Crisis of Law Schools: An Empirical and Global Perspective on the Current Debate

Date: March 4, 2014

Time: 12:15 p.m.

Location: Room 114, College of Law

CLE: One (1) hour general has been applied for in Ohio and Kentucky. Approval is expected.

Webcast: This event will be webcast. Please check back the day of.


About the Lecture

In his lecture, “The Crisis of Law Schools: An Empirical and Global Perspective on the Current Debate”, Professor Garth will provide a reading of the crisis that is different from most legal education critics, suggesting that most of the diagnoses and remedies do not make sense according to the data and that there is something to be learned from the move abroad to adopt elements of the U.S. model. He will draw in part on the “After the J.D.” longitudinal study of the legal profession and will highlight what he considers the real challenges for legal education.

About the Speaker

Prior to joining the UC Irvine law faculty, Professor Garth served as Dean of Southwestern Law School, Director of the American Bar Foundation, and Dean of Indiana University – Bloomington School of Law. He has held numerous leadership positions within the ABA and the AALS, currently serving on the Executive Coordinating Committee of the “After the J.D.” study and chairing the Advisory Committee of the Law School Survey of Student Engagement. He also has served as a consultant to such entities as the World Bank, the U.S. Agency for International Development, and major philanthropic foundations.

One of the leading international scholars on the legal profession, dispute resolution, globalization, and the rule of law, Professor Garth just finished a term as co-editor of the Journal of Legal Education and is the author or co-author of more than 20 books and 107 articles. Proficient in four foreign languages, Professor Garth graduated with a B.A. from Yale University and his J.D. from Stanford Law School, where he was editor-in-chief of the Journal of International Studies. He went on to clerk for Judge Robert Peckham of the U.S. District Court, Northern District of California before earning a Ph.D. from the European University Institute in Florence, Italy.

About the Stanley M. Chesley Distinguished Visiting Professor of Law

The Stanley M. Chesley Distinguished Visiting Professor of Law was endowed by Mr. Chesley, a 1960 graduate of UC Law, in 2006 to bring outstanding legal scholars of national and international prominence in all areas of law to the College as visiting professors.

Travis Burke’s Work at Wright-Patterson is Chance to Serve Country

Aviation has been a part of Dayton’s history since the time of Orville and Wilbur Wright.  In 1904, the Wright brothers began making use of the Huffman Prairie Flying Field, an 84-acre plot of land, for their test flights.  From 1910-1916 they operated The Wright Company School of Aviation at Huffman Prairie, which would eventually become designated a National Historic Landmark.

When the United States entered World War I in 1917, three military installations were established in Dayton, two of which eventually became Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.  Today, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base is an integral part of the Air Force.  Serving as the headquarters for the Air Force’s worldwide logistics system and all Air Force systems development and procurement, Wright-Patterson has the second largest Air Force medical center, is the heart of Air Force graduate education, and is the home of the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force.*

Travis Burke ’10 today works as a contract negotiator at this historic and important military facility.  A native of Northern Kentucky, he attended the University of Kentucky for his undergraduate degree before receiving a fellowship at the University of Heidelberg in Germany. There, he met his (now) wife, Fanny Delaunay ‘14.  After graduating from UK, Burke went directly to law school.  Influenced by the knowledge that his grandfather served in the Army during World War II, Burke forayed into public service with a JAG internship during his second year at UC Law.  “I knew I enjoyed serving my country, it felt rewarding,” he said of his experience, “and I want to spend a career doing it.” 

Burke works in the C-130J program office procuring C-130J aircraft from Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer.  “A lot goes into buying a plane.  It’s not just paying a price and driving or—in our case—flying the plane off the lot,” he explained.  “You have to think about things like spare parts, support equipment, warranty coverage, having folks around (we call them field service representatives) that know how to troubleshoot and correct issues with the plane, etc.”  More specifically, Burke works in the foreign military sales (FMS) department, working to procure aircraft for military/strategic partners with the U.S.

Since graduating he has had opportunity to practice in the private sector.  “I still do have my own private practice where I selectively take on matters that interest me,” he said, “but ultimately, big law is, in my opinion, really a life-altering career path that consumes your life.”  He shared his perspective on work/ family life balance, quoting an anecdote a colleague said to him a few years back:  “You never spend time on your deathbed wishing you had worked more Saturdays, or missed more of your kid’s soccer games; in fact, it's the opposite.”  Burke has taken this to heart and enjoys finding the balance in both his work and his family life.  “I’ve found a great balance between doing something I’m passionate about, and being able spend time with my family and enjoy my free time.”


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Meet Dr. Bill Naber: Working at the Intersection of Law and Medicine

The worlds of medicine and law are often seen as in conflict.  It seems that several times each year there is a big news story about a pharmaceutical company that made a bad drug, or about a local doctor involved in some shady practices.  But in many ways, the worlds of law and medicine are very much connected—for the better.  Lawyers not only defend doctors in certain difficult situations or work in-house at large pharmaceutical companies, but they also help advise hospitals and smaller practitioners on what they need to do to stay on the right side of the law.  On the other side of the same coin, lawyers, like everyone else, often need the healthcare and expertise that only doctors can provide.  There are approaches about healthy living that doctors know best just as there are strategies about healthcare law that lawyers know best. 

There are some individuals, however, who are equipped to bring a unique perspective to both fields because they work in both professions.  Dr. William Naber ’11 is an example.   Dr. Naber grew up in Cincinnati before attending the University of Dayton for his undergraduate studies. A pre-med major, he graduated and went directly into medical school at the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine.  He graduated with his M.D. in 1993 and completed a three-year residency before transitioning into an emergency medicine practice.  Dr. Naber practiced medicine in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania for one year, and then for eight years in upstate New York.  In 2005 he and his family decided to return to Cincinnati.  It was around this time that he began considering gaining another degree.  “I didn’t know I wanted to go to law school when I was first starting out as a doctor,” he explained.  “But I knew that as I got further along in my career that continuing to be an ER doctor would become more difficult.”  He said that with the difficulties of scheduling and long, overnight shifts that you just simply don’t see very many older ER doctors.  This provided him with motivation to find a way into the administrative side of healthcare.  “I looked at those in positions similar to what I might be interested in doing and saw a variety of degrees,” he shared, “but there was a notable absence of doctors who also had law degrees.  I saw it as an opportunity to bring something unique to the table.”

Pursuing a JD

After a few years of hard thinking and talking to people in the field who had both degrees, Naber decided to pursue his law degree.  He took his LSAT (which he said was much more challenging than the MCAT!), and was accepted to UC Law.  Here he participated in the Flexible Time Program, through which he was able to continue working while being enrolled as a part-time law student.  The program allowed Naber to graduate with his juris doctor in four years. 

Since graduating in 2011, Dr. Naber has been able to transition his professional life to a point where he now works more in the legal/administrative side than he does practicing in the ER.  Today, he is the medical staff president at West Chester Hospital and is a medical director at University of Cincinnati Medical Center and West Chester Hospital.  In his capacity as a medical director he works in case management, utilization review, and in clinical documentation improvement.  Additionally, Naber teaches as an associate professor in the Department of Emergency Medicine at the College of Medicine, teaching and lecturing both residents and medical students.

How an MD Impacts Legal Training…and Vice Versa

When asked how having a MD has given him a unique viewpoint on legal issues, Dr. Naber noted specifically that he can see how regulations change and influence real-life practices.  “It helps me to be able to put these complex legal concepts into real world scenarios.”  To students who may be considering the possibility of attaining both a JD and a MD, Bill cautioned that it is a decision to consider very carefully.  “Before pursuing both degrees, pick one and see, down the road, if getting the other is something you still need to do,” he said.  Noting that each degree can be quite expensive to achieve, he advised that any bump in pay might not be as big as you might think to make it economically feasible.  With careful planning, however, and considering it from all angles, attaining both a JD and MD is very much possible.

JD/WGSS Program Provides Context and Perspective for Lee Serbin

 “During law school it has been important for me to maintain connections with the communities I hope to serve,” said Lee Serbin’14, a student currently completing UC Law’s joint degree program. “The JD/MA program has allowed me to do so.”  Serbin grew up in Avon Lake, Ohio before attending college at the University of Vermont and The Ohio State University. At OSU she studied Women’s Studies and Sociology.  After graduating, she stayed in Columbus to work for two years before coming to UC Law. 

 “UC’s joint degree program with law and WGSS was the first in the nation and UC Law’s size and location was a good fit for me,” she explained of her decision to come to UC.  The JD/MA program takes four years to complete; thus, Serbin finished her MA this past summer and will graduate with both a  JD and a MA in Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies this May.

Serbin praised the Center for Race, Gender, and Social Justice Center while describing what she enjoys about the school.  “The programming the Center presents is really important in giving context and urgency to what we learn in law school,” she said, additionally noting that the Center’s programming has been relevant to her MA degree studies.

Honing Her Legal Skills

She has a variety of legal experiences already under her belt as she nears graduation.  During her first summer she interned with the Ohio Justice and Policy Center in Cincinnati.  She shared that she really enjoyed working with wonderful people there on important issues.  “Interning with OJPC illustrated the impact of policy and law on individual lives.”  She has also participated in an externship with the family law team at The Legal Aid Society of Greater Cincinnati, where she conducted interviews to support Legal Aid attorneys, accompanied her supervisor to community meetings addressing domestic violence in the Greater Cincinnati area, and performed legal research for family law cases.  Last summer she worked at the Sexual Assault Legal Institute (SALI) in Maryland.  She explained that SALI provides legal services to survivors of sexual assault and also provides legal training and technical assistance to professionals who work with survivors.  “The great variety of work that SALI does exposed me to many different types of law and illustrated the huge impact sexual assault has on the lives of survivors and their families,” said Serbin.  As an intern she was the first point of contact for survivors seeking legal assistance, and through this she was able to hone her client counseling skills.  With her limited practice license, she was also able to represent clients in protection order hearings with UC Law’s Domestic Violence and Civil Protection Order Clinic

“The professors involved are wonderful and provide support and encouragement,” said Serbin of her experience in the joint degree program.  “It is a lot of work and requires a great deal of dedication and focus,” she continued, “but a joint degree can provide additional context and perspective to legal studies that can be very valuable to critical analysis.”